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News Archive 1: September 1997

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From: gregory hernandez <Calistar@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:56:55 +0000
Subject: Bridge Concert-Goers Guide

I've seen many many questions concerning this year's Bridge shows, So I decided to tell about some experiences I've had in the past. Check it out.

Greg (AKA Calistar)

From: cmptrcwby@juno.com
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:17:22 -0400
Subject: IRF Registration - 2nd notice

Joe the loner has put up a web web page to capture info about everyone who is coming to the International Rust Fest. When you get a chance, hop over there.

Thanks! It'll really help us know just how many are gonna make it, how many are gonna need a shuttle to the Bridge show, etc.

ain't singing for miller,

From: Jonna Lybrand <FreeBird@HyperRust.org>
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:04:39 -0400
Subject: Kids at IRF

Hi this is my first time writing to rust myself! i told my dad I want to be called Free Bird. I'm 9.

I want to tell people to bring there kids with them to the rustfest. Cause i want to meet them there. Please bring your kids! Gotto go to bed now. GOOD NIGHT.
Jonna the Free Bird

From: Joe Berkemeier
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:25:55 -0500
Subject: Registering for the IRF

The registration form for the IRF is now online. All Rusties who will be attending the IRF need to register there.

Even if you've already e-mailed Andy about this, please fill this form out. It asks when you're arriving/leaving, which will help the IRF committee in estimating what time the masses will show up!

On a more personal note, and speaking for me alone and not for the committee (but I'm sure some of the committee will feel the same way), I'd also like to apologize for not getting things out to you guys fast enough. Planning this thing has been quite an undertaking - more things to do than any of us ever dreamed of! So please bear with us as we work towards a great IRF!

If you have questions, check over the IRF sites... they have all kinds of great info! If you have any questions on those pages, mail the person who's name is on it - they're the person who's going to be able to answer it best!

And for those of you who can't make it for whatever reason, we've also got some things we're working on for the homebound - we've not forgotten about you! ;)

From: HipyGrlSml@aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:20:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRF Raffle!!!!

GO TO THIS WEB PAGE WITHOUT HESITATION: http://HyperRust.org/IRF/Raffle.shtml

C'mon everyone.. Join in on the fun!!!!!!! You could win that great MOOORE BARN bandana that is personally autographed by Graham Nash. Or you could get lucky and win one of the other consolation prizes. All proceeds go to the Bridge School. The donation per ticket is $1.00, or for $10.00 you can get 12 chances. Now that is a bargain!!!!

I want my mailbox to be so full of those entries that my mailperson needs a bigger truck to get them here.

The winner will be drawn at the IRF before the show. You do NOT need to be present to win! Remember this--- If you can't be at IRF, you could still win a part of it. Get on over to that page and read the story about how that Conductor scooped Graham Nash for this. Conductor, you are something else!!!

Hippy Girl's Smile
Scribblin' out those tix

From: fontainebleau <ciaran@itsa.ucsf.edu>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:58:50 -0700
Subject: Missing 6 Raffle Update 3: Is it a bird...?

Is it a plane...? Is it a bird...? No, it's Lookout Mama, on her way to IRF'97... :-)

Thanks to all those who bought tickets for the Missing 6 raffle, the Mama will be at the first IRF.

Any extra funds received will be donated to the Bridge School - so if there are any latecomers your money will go to a good cause.

The raffle will be held on Friday Oct 17th or Saturday Oct 18th. There will be some additional prizes of other single copies of the missing six. Hopefully, the results of the raffle will be sent to Rust immediately following the draw from the IRF site.

For those of you still wishing to buy tickets see my previous note below.


From: cmptrcwby@juno.com
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:43:44 -0400
Subject: FAQ update

As before - answers not yet posted to the lists at the top, previously posted info at the bottom. Take a look.

vaya con dios,

From: fontainebleau <ciaran@itsa.ucsf.edu>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:35:42 -0700
Subject: Missing 6 Raffle Update 2

The good news is that Lookout Mama is about all the way to Las Vegas on her route to this years IRF. With a few more ticket requests she will have made it all the way to San Francisco (and back).

Thanks to all involved for showing their appreciation for Sheila's efforts for Rusties and Zumans everywhere.

Ticket sales will continue right up to the draw on Saturday 19th October - so for those of you still looking for a complete set of the Missing Six on Vinyl, it's not too late to take your chances in the draw (see details below).


********** Text of earlier post - M6 Raffle ************

Due to difficult financial circumstances, LookoutMama is
unable to attend this years first International
RustFest (IRF). In order to rectify this situation, and
to show Sheila that we all appreciate her efforts on
behalf of Rusties and Zumans everywhere, a Raffle will
be held to gather the funds necessary to get the Mama
airborne. Any additional funds arising from this raffle
will be donated to The Bridge School.

In addition, Sheila sez that if hubby lands a job between
now and IRF, then she'll donate the costs of her airfare
to The Bridge School.

A number of people have contacted me previously through
brown-skinned indian with regard to offering funds to
get Sheila airborne. Those people may now do so through
the purchase of raffle tickets.

The Grand Prize for the raffle will be a complete set
of the MISSING SIX on original vinyl. All copies are
in very good condition and are original US release.
It took about 4 months scouring the Bay Area record
shops to come across these high quality copies (only
one On The Beach was found), and there are a number of
additional copies of some of the albums that will be put
up for additional prizes.

For those that don't know, the Missing Six are Neil's
six albums that have not been released on CD:

Journey Through The Past
Time Fades Away
On The Beach
American Stars 'n' Bars
Hawks and Doves

I have decided to charge US $5 per raffle ticket, and
any number of tickets may be bought by an individual.
I will not be partaking in the raffle.

Please send all funds in US dollars by check/money
order/cash or International money order, and make
all payable to Ciaran Cronin. Send funds to me at:

Ciaran Cronin
3353 Alma St., #243
Palo Alto
CA 94306

Please let me know by email when you have posted your
ticket funds, so that a running tally can be held, and
that all tickets will be entered.

The raffle will be held during the IRF in a completely
unbiased and supervised manner.

From: Chuck King <cking@minn.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:11:31 -0500
Subject: Paging Camper #8!

If you have reserved campsite #8 at Saratoga for the IRF weekend, please get in touch with me as soon as possible.

"Moe the Sleaze"
a.k.a. Chuck King

From: fontainebleau >ciaran@itsa.ucsf.edu<
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:47:38 -0700
Subject: IRF Camping Reservations

The log for IRF'97 campsites is being maintained at:


If you have made a reservation but need to update me with regard to number of nights you require, number of people, how many tents etc, please email me.

I saw some people report on Rust that they had made independent reservations at the site - I would appreciate it if those people would let me know who they are, and how many people / tents / nights, etc, that they have reserved. We want to determine the attendee numbers at the site, and get everyone staying at the site up on the one page.


From: Joe Berkemeier <joeberk@purdue.edu>
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:42:32 -0500
Subject: IRF Barter board

I know that people were talking about the need for a place they could show that they have/need campsites, tents, etc. Since we're kinda getting 'down to the wire', so to say, I went ahead and put together an IRF Barter Board. Please check it out.

joe, 'the loner'

From: Mary Maguire <maguire@interlog.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:51:41 -0400
Subject: IRF Car Rentals

The best rate I've found is Alamo -- $149.99/week; $29.99/day (unlimited)

If anyone finds a better deal, please pass it along.
From: fontainebleau <ciaran@itsa.ucsf.edu>

Also, I believe one gets a discount with Alamo if you have CostCo membership... mention it over the phone.

From: Serge Gironnay(MoMo) <100440.1215@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 02:39:15 -0400
Subject: Journey Through The Fest

By the way, European folks are not currently very well represented in the JTTF footage, so please if any of you has any video footage related to the Rust family (mass hysteria, Rustfest, personal hallucinations.....), let me know privately. The format doesn't matter, we will convert to the correct one.


From: Ron Wilcox <rwilcox@redshift.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:52:40 -0700
Subject: IRF site visit

I was even later than Peter, but did get a chance to visit Saratoga Springs today. GREAT SITE! Weather was great, plenty of support activities, for both adults and kids.

Had to do a bit of BS'ing to get in the gate, as they had booked the entire park for Company parties, but once in, everyone was very accommodating and helpful. They also seemed very organized, and can handle pretty much anything we need...

This place is really nice. 23 Campsites, plus RV areas. A pool, a stage, a creek running beside the camping area. A store. Bar-B-Que areas, picnic tables. 5 minutes from Saratoga, for those that like to shop, catch breakfast, or just walk around.

Less than an hour from both OPL and the Catalyst, I would guess (different directions). I hit both sites today, the Cat to get tickets to another show, OPL just to amaze my girlfriend (a big Neil fan in her own right!) that Neil would play such a tiny spot on a moments notice. She was pretty blown away!

I'm REALLY looking forward to the IRF now! Can't wait to spend a weekend with a bunch of Rusties!

There may be more calls for reservations, information, or funds from the IRF committee. We need good counts and planning information to make this work. And it WILL work great!! Hoping to meet you all there!

Ron Wilcox

From: cmptrcwby@juno.com
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:01:52 -0400
Subject: Journey Through The Fest

Yes, we're doing a film of the IRF. Filming started early this year at bh's May RustFest. Since then I've been collecting footage from Rusties all over the US (MoMo is collecting European antics), and I'm having a great time watching these things:

  • The conductor sent me some video of the Ordinary People banner at Shoreline. Great footage...almost like a TV show or somethin'. :)

  • I shot video at the Pine Knob show - the banner, the Canadian Rust-horde, the rustrow... even a bit of some old dude at the third stage - with the Rusties in the front row salivating.

  • Wonderin' Man sent some great video of the SPAC rust fest. Some really great shots. Really great.  :)   Some Rusties jammin on guitars (Paul Rask was the only name I caught) and it seemed like a pretty good time.

  • Neesah has sent me a video from SPAC (??? -- not sure, it's not labelled, and I lost the e-mail message) of some Rusties discussing the amazing revelations that come, even after years of listening to one of Neil's songs. Haven't seen all of that one yet, but I've already seen some keepers.

  • Lost Dog has promised me some footage from his trip down to CA this summer. Yes (surprise, surprise), there is beer involved. :)
  • Aside from maybe one more offering from the eastern side of the tour, that's what I've got for preliminary IRF footage. If you've got something Rust-related, that you think people would like to see - please consider making us a copy for possible inclusion in our little video. Once the IRF has been held, we'll edit all this footage down into the JTTF video, which will be treed.


    From: Bikeralane@aol.com
    Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 08:16:58 -0400 (EDT)
    Subject: IRF: California Here We Come

    Hippy Girl's Smile & BikerAlane have their reservations! We will be soaring down ol' route 1 before ya know it! We are commin on on Thursday the 16th.

    Keep a look out for the tie-died, hair-braided Hippy Girl, and the blonde haired biker with the white cowboy hat on! Hippy had to leave the Neil mobile home and Biker can't ride her hog out to the west coast {not enough time, but someday}... So look for a car driving erraticaly down Route 1 with loud Neil tunes comming out the windows, and 2 wild woman singin' at the top of their lungs!!! We shouldn't be too hard to spot. Yehaw!!!!

    Looking forward to meeting all of you!

    ~Live To Ride~

    From: gregory hernandez <Calistar@worldnet.att.net>
    Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:42:19 +0000
    Subject: Another IRF Web Page...

    Well, I did it. I created a web page in hopes of listing vital and/or important information about the upcoming IRF'97. Originally I had intended to make up a "Survival Guide" that would offer tips on camping and first aid and important phone numbers and etc. But now I think I'll leave the page open to suggestion.

    What do you all want on the page? Please take a look at it when you get the chance and send your comments when you can. I appreciate all tips and advice as well, as I am as newbie web page designer.

    One thing that I want to avoid is repeating the information that you can find on the fine IRF pages of Joe Berkemeier/Chuck King and RE*AC*TOR. If you have any creative and imaginative suggestions, I'd be glad to hear about them.

    To start things off, I would like to hear from you Rusties that will be making a "ROAD TRIP" to the Saratoga Camp Sites and would like to meet up with other people who perhaps need a ride. You know, Joe Rustie writes: "Hey Cali, I'll be driving my '87 Caddy from my country home in Powderfinger, Oregon. If someone would like to share gas (and has tapes!) I'll supply the vehicle". Be sure to include all the vital info (Dates, route, etc) and e-mail me the information and I'll post it. Anyone looking for a ride can look there.

    Here is my Unofficial IRF'97 web page URL: http://home.att.net/~calistar/irf.html

    Hope to hear from you soon!


    From: RE*AC*TOR
    Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:13:57 -0400
    Subject: Kids at the IRF

    Just for the record: Free Bird (my 9 year old daughter Jonna) will be attending the International RustFest. I hope that other Rusties plan to bring their kids, so she'll be able to hang out with other Rustitos...!
    . . . RE*AC*TOR

    From: LkoutMama@aol.com
    Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:02:26 -0400 (EDT)
    Subject: Re: Cold!

    That info should be up on the IRF pages.

    I know a lot of folks have this idea that all of California is like LA - warm, warm warm. First time I was in the Bay was in December - also with that same idea. Imagine my shock when I had to scrape the ice off my windshield!


    From: cmptrcwby@juno.com
    Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:59:03 -0400
    Subject: FAQ update

    Well, even more questions. As before - answers not yet posted to the lists at the top, previously posted info at the bottom. Take a look.

    Buenos suerte! (hope that means what I think it means)

    PS - smartass remarks are not necessarily the opinion of the IRF committee and may reflect solely the views of the FAQeeper. In other words, he's BSing until the committee comes up with a real answer. Stay tuned.

    From: peter <pvb@ix.netcom.com>
    Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 18:52:50 -0700
    Subject: Cold!

    Forgot one!

    My guess is that the avg temp around here should be around 55 at night. It seems colder at Shoreline if the wind is blowing. That's why layered clothes are recommended there. In other words it's not that cold if you're prepared.


    From: peter <pvb@ix.netcom.com>
    Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:31:45 -0700
    Subject: IRF Site Visit

    Today Saratoga Springs gave me a tour of the facility.

    It is a real treasure! Out in the woods, 10 minutes from civilization is this beautiful park that will be home base for the '97 IRF. It seemed about 20 minutes to Shoreline.

    The campground is located at the fork of 2 year round creeks. the facility is very developed (in the sense of most everything provided), redwoods, oaks and laurels seem to provide most of the shade.

    The site is built around the creeks. Many small bridges enable a very pleasant stroll. There is a pool onsite, arcade and playground for children, small general store, ice machine, fishing, panning for gold are other diversions.

    One of the questions we had was whether or not the site was handicap accesible. Yes, except for the showers (which BTW, cost 25 cents).

    Another good question was the status of the MORE BARN! fire. Each of the campsites has a portable fire ring about 3 feet in diameter. 7 or so together would be a bon fire!

    The resort also offered us something else...

    There is a large area reserved with picnic tables and BARBQ's. It is called Longbridge by the management. Probably, because of the very large, 2 arched stone bridge that towers nearby. There is also a large stone firepit. We can use this if we want.

    This area also has the dance floor and stage, which we can use. The management mentioned one neighbor who complains if the vacuuming is too loud. They do not feel there is a problem with amplified or electric music til 10 PM. Other guests are a concern, but currently we are the only group on the books.

    The campsites that have been reserved for us are great! Secluded, maybe 6 feet above the current water level of the creeks. They are not well defined sites like others at the site. More freeform.

    The management seems excited by this international gathering of friends, just like us!


    From: bob@factotum.remedy.com (Bob Gunn)
    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:11:31 -0700
    Subject: IRF Help

    I'd like to offer my address as a mailing station if anyone wants to ship their camping gear, golf clubs, GrateDanes, stash, etc, rather than transporting it.

    I live about 3 miles from the San Jose airport so it will be easy to claim when you land. Contact me off line if you'd like to persue this.


    From: SCHUBIDOO@aol.com
    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:53:21 -0400 (EDT)
    Subject: More IRF Lodging

    I too will be bringing an extra tent. It sleeps 2 normally, but I hear Rusties are a friendly bunch...
    Speakin' Out

    From: Ron Wilcox <rwilcox@redshift.com>
    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:58:37 -0700
    Subject: IRF Lodging

    For those coming from afar for the Fest, with no equipment... I have 2 tents, which will be set up for those who need them. One sleeps 2-3, one sleeps 3-4.

    I generally sleep in my truck shell. Hope that makes it a little easier for someone out there! See you at the IRF!
    Ron Wilcox

    From: cmptrcwby@juno.com
    Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:19:42 -0400
    Subject: FAQ for IRF now online

    Well, I'm getting lots of questions, which is absolutely great!!!! Not only are you uncovering things that we had not thought of - you're giving us a big ol' kick in the butt on some we had. :)

    So a FAQ seems in order. Here's the latest update. Answers not yet posted to the lists are currently at the top of the FAQ, previously posted info is at the bottom.

    Well, as you can see, I was an unconventional choice for "committee spokesperson." But I've tried to be nice, just this one time.   :)   My apologies in advance if anyone that e-mailed a question to me privately is upset that I added it to the FAQ - it's just that if you have a question, probably a coupla dozen others are wonderin the same thing.

    vaya con dios!

    From: Andy Strote <strote@interlog.com>
    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:03:29 -0400
    Subject: Canadians going to IRF

    For any of us North of the border who are thinking about going to the IRF, I had a call from a travel agent to say that Air Canada has announced some type of seat sale which offers return from Toronto to SF for $399. Of course there are all kinds of taxes on top of that, but I think it's a pretty good base rate. She said the ticket had to be bought by September 15(!). So if you're waffling.... maybe this will help.

    Anyone living close to U.S. border cities will be wise to check costs of departures from U.S. cities to S.F. Probably more choices of direct flights, and maybe some bargains.

    Cutlass Supreme

    From: cmptrcwby@juno.com
    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 09:40:40 -0400
    Subject: More IRF info

    Location: It's about...

    They have 40 campsites, which should be adequate.


                                           Daily     Weekly
      1 or 2 persons                      $20.00    $125.00
      Water and Electric Hookups           $5.00     $30.00
      Each Extra Person (4 and older)      $2.00     $12.50
      Pets                                 $2.00      $6.00
      Sewer Pumping                        $5.00
      Cancellation Fee                     $6.00
    Live Music
    Acoustic campfire music at the site, but we are hoping for an electric appearance of some rusted musicians at a favorite Neil spot...

    Campfires, communal meals, sing-a-longs, etc
    Not sure about communal meals - I think the team is leaning toward just one. But there are dining facilities and a general store on site, so no one should go hungry. Again - keep an eye on the web site - the food folks are trying to finalize their plans now, and will post the info as soon as they can.

    To the land of suntan lotion,

    From: Chuck King <cking@minn.net>
    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 08:53:26 -0500
    Subject: Looking for volunteer drivers

    One of the things Joe Berkemeier and I are trying to do is to organize a shuttle system to get people to and from the airports. We have a registration form for people to let us know their flight information so we will know when they need to be picked up.

    Of course that also means we need volunteer drivers who will be willing to make several trips to the airports to get people. Please, if you can help out, get in touch with me as soon as possible. I will be renting a car and plan to make several trips myself.


    "Moe the Sleaze"
    a.k.a. Chuck King

    From: cmptrcwby@juno.com
    Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:14:24 -0400
    Subject: IRF site

    Well the big news about the IRF is...

    It's moved to a new location!

    A terrific new location - still outside San Francisco, still very near Shoreline - and we're very excited about it!

    It's called Saratoga Springs Resort. You can visit it cybernetically.

    Some random notes from my addled brain: We're going to be all the way in the back - so we aren't likely to be disturbed by traffic, neil-haters, live music haters, etc. It's a campground - so there will be very adequate facilities for bedding down, cleaning up, rinsing out, etc. There is still likely to be a fee to cover upfront expenses, but mostly this extravaganza will be pay as you go - for your campsite, meals etc. Clearly this gives people a lot of freedom to do as they wish - and it should keep any "fee" for the IRF nominal. BTW - the rates for camping seem VERY reasonable.

    It's a beautiful place. Please check it out.

    Faithfully submitted,
    Computer Cowboy

    From: cmptrcwby@juno.com
    Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 23:25:14 -0400
    Subject: The IRF is coming

    It's still on folks.

    I promised to make an announcement for the committee. but my fingers are fading fast...so I'll just tease you a little...

    The IRF just got a whole lot better...

    I'll e-mail you tomorrow night.








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